Campfire (Off-Topic Chat)

[Druplesnubb]

What does the "tree" refer to?

[Carnegie]

Treestump is a (generally) town role that can give up their night action (if they have one) and ability to vote for immortality

There's some variants but that's basically it

They can't be lynched, can't be shot, NK'd, etc.

Positives are that you have a confirmed townie that can't die

Negatives are that you technically have one less townie and mylo/lylo is that much closer

[dichotomousCreator]

"RDM" stands for "Random deathmatch"

The tree in this case is I am 90% sure a thing you can shoot in the Trouble in Terrorist Town map ttt_minecraft that kills anyone near it.

Trouble in Terrorist Town is an FPS-style gamemode within Garry's Mod where a quarter of the players are marked as "Traitors" and have to kill off everyone else before they themselves are done in. (It's mafia-inspired, but due to the real-time element the strategies are drastically different)

[Carnegie]

Lol not the tree I was thinking off

[phantomEclipse]

Para gets 20 signups

I have 11, and was first

RIP me

[Granolaman]

Ah, the fickle nature of clusterfucks and also timing signups to start right as a game ends.

[Paranoia]

Twenty-One signups now, actually!

[phantomEclipse]

Give it to me now.gif

[Red709]

How many people would be up for it if I made a mafia for 22-25ish people that involved an, um, welll... spy...

[amosmyn]

noooooooope

[reaverb]

22 people is probably way too high for the current playerbase, I'm shocked paranoia's game has reached 21. (also no replacements)

Do you mean wh1 spy? I wouldn't recommend, the only game with spy witches have ever won anywher across 11+ games and three sites was the one the spy got random sacrificed N1 for being afk.

[reaverb]

Also wh5 on fantasy strike was won by witches ( aka the one that entered lame duck with 20is players alive, as opposed to wh4 werewolf win which entered lame duck with 30 players alive)

[reaverb]

Modern wh halftime rules are probably the best implementation of spy-like mechanics but would require severe modification to run in a reasonably sized game.

[phantomEclipse]

Honestly, from this point forward, we shouldnt have games with over 18-20 players

At least until we build up the playerbase

[beruru]

But what if third party spy

[amosmyn]

Third party spy joints with town= easy way to screw scum out of a game.

Try 'Mastermind' from EpicMafia maybe.

[phantomEclipse]

Mastermind is kinda a dick move to scum team.

I mean you could easily deduce who was who in the scum chat and that way prevent the team kill, it isnt like EM where you have 1 minute to discuss

You would have to give the mastermind some sort of protection, not to mention mastermid typically denies scum team a win if theyre alive by end game, which makes scums job teice as hard

Overall its a third party role that counts towards scum, wins in place of a scum win if alive, and prohibits communication slightly

Its like the autocrat role in EM, third party that wins in place of town win.

[phantomEclipse]

If even wanted to consider mastermind as a role, you would need to give him his own kill, or like, give him an oblit

[phantomEclipse]

Ooh i just had a crazy setup idea:

Low PR setup where you elect someone for a oneshot nightkill during the day. If you give it to scum, they get a double nightkill (provided they have two different people alive) and the oneshot expires if the following day if you dont use it. An open setup would be good for it i think

[Sotek]

There was a open-setup game once with three factions:
Villagers (town)
Witches (scum, EXCEPT)
Lich and his Phylactery.

The phylactery was a randomly-selected witch who did not know who the lich was but did know they were the phylactery and who the witches were.

the lich was mostly-invincible while his phylactery was alive, knew who his phylactery was, and didn't know the other witches. He also had oblits.

the only instance of the game that ran, town won, mostly due to a pair of OP roles crashlanding into OPness. (mad scientist and diviner)

but that structure is at least a thing you could do. it was apparently deemed unfun for the poor phylactery, though.

[amosmyn]

I mean more along the lines of a role that is an anonymous member in the chat and is known to be the mastermind. Would likely have a useful ability, but doesnt really need protection.

[Red709]

actually the role idea was "a town sided 3p (counts towards number of town alive but pings as 3p) that can read mafia chat and wins if they can shoot the mafia boss specifically (has one shot and auto-reveals on its use), but mafia chat is anonymous", tbh

conversely the boss was "knows the identity of everyone in mafia chat and is aware there's a spy, but doesnt know their roles, also he has message powers"

scum would also have an alignment checker who is aware the spy pings as 3p

also this isn't a witchhunt, people would flip

[note: the spy doesn't win with town]

[reaverb]

(10-24-2015 12:12 PM)Red709 Wrote:  actually the role idea was "a town sided 3p (counts towards number of town alive but pings as 3p) that can read mafia chat and wins if they can shoot the mafia boss specifically (has one shot and auto-reveals on its use), but mafia chat is anonymous"

Polarity Hunts had Diode, a town role which could read anonymous Mafia Chat, and separately Night Guard in even earlier versions (was elected every day by Town, gained the same power for one night only.)

There are several awkward problems with making night chat anonymous, there needs to be a robust set of rules against codes and ciphers to make it even sort of work, and there will inevitably be grey areas because the mafia are encouraged to use whatever cipher/code like construct which remain legal.

That third-party role sounds both extremely hard to win with and the win condition doesn't seem engaging.

[Red709]

shrug
it was an off the top of the head idea in the first place

wrt mafia chat, only the boss would be aware of the identity of any of the other players anyway. there's no point in ciphers in an anonymous chat when only one person knows the identity of the others. you need at least one other person to have a cipher.

[GenetiXientist]

Not if you're Sruixan!

[Red709]

YEAH OK, BUt

honestly i just thought "mafia in which only one member of scum is notified of the identity of his whole team" sounded interesting and "a role that isnt scum but can talk in their qt" just fit the prior idea well

besides when's the last time Sruix even played

[Granolaman]

Shank-A-Bitch 3 and it's totally possible to run ciphers in an anonymous chat if one person knows all their buddies. It'd take effort but if you threw together a key based off of rare ids or ancient post numbers and threw in a few false trail notes to nonscum I think you could find a way to communicate that's difficult for the spy to crack.

[Red709]

eh, whatever
it was a silly idea that didnt take into account people being serious enough to put that much effort into a game

[speedchuck]

(09-02-2015 01:17 PM)icanhasdonut Wrote:  it's from El Goonish Shive , a webcomic about uh, lots of things that i picked up mainly due to youdont12know posting about it a lot. the character's tedd and they're a cool person. good webcomic even if the 1st couple years are really weird artwise. i may or may not have read all 2000 pages in like, 5 days.

I just read this entire comic thanks to you.

In three days.

[icanhasdonut]

good

[speedchuck]

That thanks wasn't sarcastic.

More of an Elliot fan myself. I find him more relatable.

[phantomEclipse]

Tfw i gotta do a research paper over ts eliot

[speedchuck]

Definitely not the same Elliot.

[Palamedes]

Are you sure? The story hasn't fully ruled it out as a future possibility.

He said, deciding against taking random pages and photoshopping on TS Elliot's face and matching quotes where applicable. Haven't actually read the comic though, much less have the time to justify that work.

Part of me wants to dive in and check out the hype but another part of me is saying 'Pala you can barely handle the few webcomics you keep updated on now and honestly you have way more shit you should be doing instead already'.

[speedchuck]

What webcomics do you follow?

Actually, I wouldn't mind opening this up for discussion. That's a general question now. Let's talk about webcomics.

[Vancho1]

(11-20-2015 03:14 AM)speedchuck Wrote:  What webcomics do you follow?

Too many webcomics, too many my friend.

[Druplesnubb]

This seems like a good time to shamelessly plug Gunnerkrigg Court and Paranatural.

[dichotomousCreator]

Try Existential Comics!

[phantomEclipse]

(11-20-2015 03:14 AM)speedchuck Wrote:  What webcomics do you follow?

Homestuck.

[phantomEclipse]

in context to having just read the general mafia chat.

i really need to leave the year 2012 behind

[Acionyx]

(11-20-2015 06:14 AM)Druplesnubb Wrote:  This seems like a good time to shamelessly plug Gunnerkrigg Court and Paranatural.

These

Also Unsounded (sometimes not worksafe) and Atomic Robo

[Granolaman]

Unsounded's great though warning it's finishing up a pretty big arc soon and will be taking its regular one month hiatus to rebuild the backlog.

Also great with a similar albeit faster posting style Stand Still Stay Silent if you're not already reading it.

[AProcrastinatingWriter]

Brawl in the Family's all wrapped up now, but if you like Nintendo it's probably the best webcomic you could find.

[dichotomousCreator]

Seconding BitF. It's a great read!

[beruru]

I just read through the dark horse paperback(?) of blacksad

Acio why are all your avatars from the first chapter and actually the first few pages you need more good faces yo

[Acionyx]

First chapter faces are favorites! I have used some from arctic nation but red soul is all afternoon/night lighting that mostly looks weird on bright white backgrounds vOv

Reminds me that I need to pick up the other two now that they're in english

[Dank Memes]

Guess who's back
Back again

I kind of had to drop this due to lack of headspace, but I'm out of uni now so I can pick it back up again (yey)

My heartfelt apologies to the town of Crooked Hollows IV. I didn't mean to get you all slaughtered ;_;

[amosmyn]

That's okay, I did. <3

[phantomEclipse]

I have returned after 10 weeks of South Carolina heat. As well as pain and suffering, but that's besides the point. I'll be hanging around the forum within the next week or so for some Mafia. So yeah, I HAVE RETURNED