Closed / Abandoned BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
12-14-2015, 02:10 PM
Post: #751
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
So what your saying is that Sotek talks to you in your QT, dC?
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12-14-2015, 02:19 PM
Post: #752
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 02:10 PM)amosmyn Wrote:  So what your saying is that Sotek talks to you in your QT, dC?

Interesting conclusion.

Mainly because this was basically the only possible limitation on my info given how I've used it so far, and of COURSE I had at least one limitation on it. So I find it difficult to believe that you only just thought of that possibility now (there are additional private reasons for this that, if correct, you should already know about, so I won't say anything about them regardless of circumstance)

Which begs the question, why mention the theory NOW? Especially given that in that scenario I clearly have some reason for not just stating that.

In answer to your actual question: No, I am not saying that.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 02:28 PM
Post: #753
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 11:38 AM)LegendaryQ Wrote:  
(12-14-2015 11:35 AM)amosmyn Wrote:  Vote: Seedy
Good enough for me. Vote Seedy.

It is????????

(12-14-2015 01:36 PM)Chirality Wrote:  How the fuck do you know all this?
(12-14-2015 01:36 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  Faustian bargain.

rofl I like this guy

(12-14-2015 02:01 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  The "trade-off" is that my information releases are not ONLY aimed at achieving the village wincon. (They are aimed at that though, so don't worry)

...So is this Songfia then

Are only scum scumhunting
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12-14-2015, 02:33 PM
Post: #754
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Hey Nova do you have a top hat or other related accessory

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 03:06 PM
Post: #755
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 01:12 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  Question: How exactly can you not KNOW if I'm entirely wrong?
whooooo knoooows

dC Wrote:donut is A FILTHY TRAITOR unreliable
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12-14-2015, 03:08 PM
Post: #756
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 03:06 PM)icanhasdonut Wrote:  
(12-14-2015 01:12 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  Question: How exactly can you not KNOW if I'm entirely wrong?
whooooo knoooows

We will when you flip! :V

(I mean, probably)

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 03:09 PM
Post: #757
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
maybe then i'll know too :V

dC Wrote:donut is A FILTHY TRAITOR unreliable
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12-14-2015, 03:15 PM
Post: #758
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Oh hey I was right it is Winefia 2 Newcomb

(or at least you're claiming that!)

of course if you're telling the truth then there's someone else out there in a startlingly similar situation to you...

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 03:20 PM
Post: #759
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
@dC info from Sotek is the only legitimate way of getting that sort of information unless you are scum.
It isnt a mutually exclusive thing either since sotek naturally is a neutral faction.

Which bring me back to my earlier conclusion that you are virtually guaranteed to be scum sided since in all likelyhood you wouldnt get as much information as you are spewing without it being intended for multiple recepients.

I would vote for you but I think the other scum faction is proooobably going to do the honours since, well, I sure havent seen any dead scum yet beyond the 'innocent' faction.

Why am I being more active than more than half the game I'm a goddamn hydra.
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12-14-2015, 03:38 PM
Post: #760
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Okay that makes sense, you're pushing for this to be public because you believe me to be scum-sided.

Hmm. I have a potentially soft-confirmable role, should I claim it in your opinion?

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 03:42 PM
Post: #761
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Do I lynch dC for being probably scum?

Do I lynch donut for not outright confronting dC and instead doing this weird little dance like he's trying to get dC to say everything he knows before explaining why he's a liar?

Do I lynch Chiral for not giving two shits about his supposed wincon in any way?

Do I lynch Nova for getting mad at Q's lurkerlynch support when he himself backed it (with general doing-nothing on top of that)?

Do I lynch Tea for saying he wants to lurkerlynch and then... frog lynching?

Do I lynch a lurker for lurking?

Help me amos you're my only hope.
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12-14-2015, 03:52 PM
Post: #762
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I still fail to see how I am not giving a shit about my win condition.
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12-14-2015, 04:00 PM
Post: #763
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Well you're not bothering to go looking for a lynch for one.

Connected to that but also related in its own way, at the rate things are going it's highly unlikely you'll make it to your (five?) lynches - assuming we somehow manage to get a lynch together each day with the high inactivity chances are we'll hit town each time. With a likely two kills each night that'll bring us down to LYLO levels in three-four days, and if there's two scum factions at that point town/village are kingmaking at best.

As far as I'm concerned your only real shot is to help take out as many killing factions as you can to slow down the game, thus getting your shot at as many lynches as possible. I mean there's a chance that village/town and scum/mafia are the same thing, but I doubt you'd hedge your bets on that without any of the latter dropping.
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12-14-2015, 05:04 PM
Post: #764
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I dunno Pala but it looks like we share the same sentiments about how much of a mess this game is right now.

I think dC should claim his role since it supposedly has neutral benefit for all factions (*cough* bs *cough*) and as it stands he is getting lynched tomorrow or killed in the night.

I think we need people to start saying productive things like their opinions on people they havent said anything about yet.

And out of morbid curiousity I ask that everyone name one lurker that they want to see lynched. So that 1: I know theyre playing the game and 2: ~Reasons~
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12-14-2015, 05:05 PM
Post: #765
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I vote TehPilot
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12-14-2015, 05:27 PM
Post: #766
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 05:04 PM)amosmyn Wrote:  And out of morbid curiousity I ask that everyone name one lurker that they want to see lynched. So that 1: I know theyre playing the game and 2: ~Reasons~

You get one guess.

(And I'll be honest: Most of my main scumreads flipped town, so I don't know what to do anymore. If it helps, I presently dislike Donut, Airey, TTA, AE (lurker?) probably Tea, Chiral, probably Granola and Seedy. I am unsure about DC, Nova, Acionyx, PE. I am content with Amos, Pala, and Anacreon. This is based off general off the top of my head gut feeling and not based on any real facts.)
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12-14-2015, 05:36 PM
Post: #767
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 05:05 PM)Chirality Wrote:  I vote TehPilot

Havent you ever heard of the story of the Hydra? You do that and itll be TwoPilots instead of TehPilot.
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12-14-2015, 05:38 PM
Post: #768
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Fuck I forgot about TTA.
Vote: TTA
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12-14-2015, 05:46 PM
Post: #769
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Donut do you believe that you are a miller?
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12-14-2015, 05:51 PM
Post: #770
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Congrats Q you don't like 75% of the town
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12-14-2015, 05:53 PM
Post: #771
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 05:51 PM)Chirality Wrote:  Congrats Q you don't like 75% of the town

i know isn't it terrible
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12-14-2015, 05:54 PM
Post: #772
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 05:04 PM)amosmyn Wrote:  I think dC should claim his role since it supposedly has neutral benefit for all factions (*cough* bs *cough*) and as it stands he is getting lynched tomorrow or killed in the night.

Yeah so I have gone out of my way to say that my info is not related to my role...

My role itself is village flavor cop, I have a check on Nova saying that his flavor is "Silly hats and a penchant for the finer things". Nova, does this have anything to do with anything to do with you or am I being jerked around >_>. I WAS told my role is kind of French vanilla, so I figure my results say nothing about mechanics or wincons or anything useful but might function as a soft confirm. I guess we'll see.

anyway I ate a roleblock which was better than I expected with the inforole magic bagging. So I have no N2 result.

it's semi-confirmable because assuming I'm not just being outright trolled Nova should have SOME idea why I got that result

also it might be time to cash out some things if you REALLY think I'm not going to survive overnight.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 06:21 PM
Post: #773
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
A flavour cop died last night tho?
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12-14-2015, 06:54 PM
Post: #774
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Yeah, that was the town flavour cop.. as opposed to the village flavour cop that dC is claiming.

Here's a hypothesis: Town & Villiage have virtually identical roles for balancing purposes and general fuckery.
Which would then suggest that it's the same for Scum & Mafia.

Which would also suggest that you're bullshitting us, Chiralty given the third parties that are dead already.
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12-14-2015, 07:00 PM
Post: #775
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Are you willing to act on that hypothesis?

Also I thought I knew you better than that. Typo my name, really? That's what strangers do.
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12-14-2015, 07:03 PM
Post: #776
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
What if there is no "mafia". What if the "mafia" is the "village" or the "town".

I really don't know shit, I'm just told I am a third party.
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12-14-2015, 07:04 PM
Post: #777
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Am I the 5th party? 7th party?
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12-14-2015, 07:16 PM
Post: #778
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I don't see how acting on that hypothesis benefits me unless you mean voting for you which... yeah, y'know, probably will do after I get some sleep.
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12-14-2015, 07:27 PM
Post: #779
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 02:33 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  Hey Nova do you have a top hat or other related accessory

Why do you ask ARE YOU A HAT STEALER

(12-14-2015 03:42 PM)Palamedes Wrote:  Do I lynch Nova for getting mad at Q's lurkerlynch support when he himself backed it (with general doing-nothing on top of that)?

Says the guy who admitted to being checked out
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12-14-2015, 08:21 PM
Post: #780
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 07:27 PM)Nova Wrote:  Why do you ask ARE YOU A HAT STEALER

I'll take that as a yes! (I asked to confirm my role)

...er, sorry if I just outed you to some nefarious haberdashery burglar.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 08:29 PM
Post: #781
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
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12-14-2015, 08:38 PM
Post: #782
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
...oh my god amos are you serious

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 08:51 PM
Post: #783
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
@amos
let me quickly go through the list of lurker peoples and off the top of my head see if i cant give you a preference.
I mean we have the probably up for replacements group with:
Granola, AE, Seedy, TTA
i honestly cant think of a preference in this group for lynching over any of the others.

We have the Airey and donut group.
donut i kind of forgot was playing which isnt good, although Airey i think is a good choice too.

i kind of feel like lynching airey or donut if we are lynching a lurker.

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12-14-2015, 09:25 PM
Post: #784
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
ebwop: let me actually talk about the other people.
Pala, amos, Acio, and Q i actually am ok with.
pE- not sure what is going on there
dc i think might actually be town/village for having like 2 or 3 different wagons on him d1.
Nova - would like to actually hear thoughts from regarding the game. he is kind of shaking my town read on him.
Tea i cant really get a read on either way.
Chiral - I feel like as scum/mafia he would have to know what the town/village win cons are. Him throwing the what if the village/town have to eliminate each other is a silly proposition. Especially since we have seen both town and village flip.

But hey for the record
DC what is the village win condition and does it mention eliminating town?

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12-14-2015, 10:08 PM
Post: #785
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Nah, it mentions eliminating "Mafia". I mentioned this waaaaay back on D1.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-14-2015, 11:14 PM
Post: #786
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 07:27 PM)Nova Wrote:  Says the guy who admitted to being checked out

This has... nothing to do with what I said about you? I didn't say you were suspicious for checking out, I said you were suspicious for saying two contradictory things. You'll also notice that despite being out of it I'm still making an effort to drop suspicions and other such things. :V

Vote: TTA is also something I'm good with since he was already kind of fishy, plus he made a little complaint about D3 not starting on time but didn't bother posting once it had.

I wasn't aware this is a game with actual flavour I'm jealous.
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12-15-2015, 03:08 AM
Post: #787
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
But yeah, I'll jump on the Lynch TTA wagon, he never answered my question and kind of disappeared since D1, so this is a lynch I am very okay with.
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12-15-2015, 05:06 AM
Post: #788
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I can get behind that.

Lynch: TTA

Also to go back on something I did not touch on earlier that would clarify some things :

(12-14-2015 04:00 PM)Palamedes Wrote:  Well you're not bothering to go looking for a lynch for one.

Connected to that but also related in its own way, at the rate things are going it's highly unlikely you'll make it to your (five?) lynches - assuming we somehow manage to get a lynch together each day with the high inactivity chances are we'll hit town each time. With a likely two kills each night that'll bring us down to LYLO levels in three-four days, and if there's two scum factions at that point town/village are kingmaking at best.

As far as I'm concerned your only real shot is to help take out as many killing factions as you can to slow down the game, thus getting your shot at as many lynches as possible. I mean there's a chance that village/town and scum/mafia are the same thing, but I doubt you'd hedge your bets on that without any of the latter dropping.

Ever played a game where you legitimately think your shot at winning is maybe 1%, but you play anyway because there are no alternatives? That's how I am feeling right now. I REALLY don't think I am going to get my win. So I am entertaining myself anyway.
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12-15-2015, 05:48 AM
Post: #789
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-14-2015 07:04 PM)Chirality Wrote:  Am I the 5th party? 7th party?

I'm the 9th party!

I'm also down with lurkerlynches.

Vote: TTA.

Paranoia (1): icanhasdonut (#686)
Chirality (1): Acionyx (#692)
icanhasdonut (1): dichotomousCreator (#738)
Airey (1): Anacreon (#783)
TryTryAgain (5): Amos The Pilot (#768), Palamedes (#786), LegendaryQ (#787), Chirality (#788), Sotek (#789)

Abstaining (8): Airey, TryTryAgain, Granolaman, phantomEclipse, Seedy, Alter Eagle, Nova, A Killer Cuppa Tea

Froglection:

Amos The Pilot: (1) Amos The Pilot (695)
Chirality: (1) Chirality (691)
Sotek: (3) dichotomousCreator (696), phantomEclipse (704), anacreon (713)
Nobody: (2) Nova (731), Tea (735)
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12-15-2015, 07:01 AM
Post: #790
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
sorry all, been crazy busy and i am at work right now will post once its gotten quite, damm x-mas rush
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12-15-2015, 08:50 AM
Post: #791
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I'd be concerned about a compromise lynch, but two of you five are claiming third party...

I still think donut is better based on info and showing up as soon as his name is mentioned, though.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-15-2015, 08:58 AM
Post: #792
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
blerg donut and TTA would both be good votes if there weren't so many dirtbags on them

Guess I'll vote Airey for now, just to make sure he shows up later
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12-15-2015, 09:00 AM
Post: #793
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Also where tf is Granola
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12-15-2015, 09:29 AM
Post: #794
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-15-2015 08:58 AM)Nova Wrote:  blerg donut and TTA would both be good votes if there weren't so many dirtbags on them

Guess I'll vote Airey for now, just to make sure he shows up later

I am literally the only person on donut right n-

oh

:(

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-15-2015, 09:47 AM
Post: #795
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
(12-15-2015 08:58 AM)Nova Wrote:  blerg donut and TTA would both be good votes if there weren't so many dirtbags on them

Guess I'll vote Airey for now, just to make sure he shows up later

i will be like 8 hours till i am able to post fyi. i am just checking the thread inbetween production change write ups and taking support calls. i will try to maybe make a decent post on my break but since its coming up to x-mas we are getting swamped with people wanting server changes before the holidays.
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12-15-2015, 09:54 AM
Post: #796
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
hey wait a minute if you think I'm lying about my role then you have to either believe:
- There is no village flavor cop and I came across sufficient info to fakeclaim it (including knowledge that they don't exist and knowledge to fake a check), or
- The real village flavor cop hasn't CC'd because ???

so which is it nova

anyway I'm going to prep an info and deduction refresher brb

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-15-2015, 10:13 AM
Post: #797
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Y'know, its kind of interesting.
Back during D2 Sotek mentioned something about cops targeting the same person no?
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12-15-2015, 10:18 AM
Post: #798
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Yup just confirmed it.

I think Nova's clear out of the sheer ridiculousness of how many cops must have visited him, and I have no reason not to believe that dC wouldnt be knowledgeable that Nova was visited.
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12-15-2015, 10:34 AM
Post: #799
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
Alright, with appropriate modifications to meet the secondary aims I have the following info (most of it already posted by me earlier, just collating here for convenience):

- Chiral would have won if he'd lynched the first person to claim
- Chiral has a second method of earning points (this should have been fairly obvious due to the observation that he practically can't win with only his point earning as stated. What is said method? I know, but I'm not going to tell you unless I suspect him of anti-village behaviour)

- My role may or may not just be "French vanilla"
- The "Mafia" aren't guaranteed to exist simply because a win condition that references them does, but SOME group the village needs dead must exist or the village would have already won (and that group may as well be the mafia if no group specifically named "Mafia" exists)

- My Nova flavorcop has some actual relevance to Nova's role (contradicts the french vanilla thing?)
- [REDACTED BECAUSE IT MIGHT CATCH OUT SCUM OR CONFIRM A TOWNIE/VILLAGER IF I KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT]
- PREVIEW EDIT: I am aware of at least one other check that was originally aimed at Nova. I won't state what the check was or what results it returned to make fakeclaiming an inforole a dodgy prospect and/or help with verifying a claim down the line.

- Someone (let's call them Person A) tried to kill someone else (Person B, say) N1, but Person B roleblocked Person A which prevented Person A's kill
- It would have been a notably bad idea to no lynch D2
- Acionyx was informed N1 that there was an attempt on his life, and also informed he was roleblocked (for those of you playing along at home, this is the info that made me unvote him since it suggests someone ACTUALLY attacked him rather than him lying about it because he knew his kill was stopped by the roleblock, as I had initially suspected)

- Person A from the scenario above was looking like they'd be lynched D2
- [REDACTED INFO RELEVANT TO PERSON A'S IDENTITY]
- There was at least one busdriver in the game D2 (I mean we know this because we lynched one D2 but I knew it before then)

- Somebody is NK immune and supposed to be using a night action they have to find a bad guy team to join (if they target a bad guy they ally with them)
- That someone has pissed off the mod by refusing to do so, and will lose if they are lynched before finding a team to join

- Nobody in the village had pissed the mod off as of D2
- No lynching D2 would have pissed off the mod
- Chiral does not have MOD WRATH (lucky him), but at least one person alive currently DOES have it (and probably only one)
- Killing people with MOD WRATH provides a weird benefit to a faction. I have SOME insight into this benefit but am not at liberty to comment.

- Having MOD WRATH is bad for your whole faction, not just you
- There are definitely two scumteams, and one of them doesn't care about killing me and is aware that they shouldn't bother

- I received a roleblock with pE's name on it N2

So there's some deductions here:
- The person alive with MOD WRATH is the person who is shopping around for a bad guy faction to join. This seems probable because that person definitely has pissed off the mod
- The person shopping around for a bad guy faction to join is probably donut. This is because of the whole kerfuffle with Sotek claiming donut self-targeted and donut denying this meshing well with "person refusing to try and target bad guys", and donut wanting to lynch the mod today suggests that he is the person with MOD WRATH (even if he's NOT the bad guy faction person lynching a MOD WRATHee is a plus)

- Chirality is largely just helping town avoid overrun, provided his alternate condition doesn't end up encouraging him to lynch a townie.
- There were four kills in play N1 at minimum (since Acio survived one and three people died)
- There was one roleblock in play N1 at minimum, and probably two given I was roleblocked with a different message (I got some wine and got drunk and passed out instead of a burning couch being involved) N2 and a single roleblocker would mean Acio would have to be the Person A killer, but...

- ...Person A was probably TOG. This is due to TOG having been a significant possibility for D2 lynching, and the [REDACTED INFO] suggesting that Person A had MOD WRATH (and TOG had MOD WRATH when he died)
- Person B was therefore probably a town/village roleblocker (since scum would have little incentive to block an SK kill at that stage)...note that this now means we have THREE roleblocks (one on TOG N1, one on Acionyx N1 [the "burning couch"] roleblock, and one on me N2 [the "pE's wine" roleblock]). So either two of those were performed by the same person or we have THREE roleblockers running around.

- There is at least one scum roleblocker out there still (the N2 roleblock on me was probably because I softed an inforole, and I don't think town/village would block on that logic)
- Someone has the ability to play silly buggers with effect messages (my roleblock containing pE's name, pE's frog having my name on it)
- The frog is probably antitown (whoever is messing with the messages was probably involved in my roleblock AND the frog, and is probably antitown due to roleblocking me) and should therefore be given to...
- ...Sotek, who is an appropriate neutral party who will not be badly affected by the frog (based on what he's said about what would happen if he was lynched) and probably won't use it to fuck the town over if it's positive (given he mentioned being able to enter QT's yesterday, there's only so antitown he can be)

I think that's everything of interest, and I don't think I've said very much that I hadn't already alluded to or that wasn't reasonably obvious. Some omissions do exist, but they shouldn't be anything of interest for scumhunting so don't worry about it.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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12-15-2015, 10:57 AM
Post: #800
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
I was about to say 'goddamnit another dC wall' but the info here seems pretty believeable and worth notung..
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