Closed / Abandoned BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day Three: Moving On(16/22)
11-22-2015, 04:30 PM
Post: #151
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 04:03 PM)speedchuck Wrote:  Bet: I don't believe you.

Like you think he's lying scum or just making it up for shits?

Lynch Amos the Pilot because two lynches for the price of one is a deal I just can't ignore.
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11-22-2015, 04:30 PM
Post: #152
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Lynch: Nova
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11-22-2015, 05:37 PM
Post: #153
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
lynch:dc because always scum

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11-22-2015, 06:14 PM
Post: #154
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 04:20 PM)Sotek Wrote:  Hey Para, you forgot my QT >_>

Lynch: dC.

Because of things.

...um. Are you implying you don't know what your role is at the moment?

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-22-2015, 06:15 PM
Post: #155
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Sotek is a Sotek aligned Sotek.
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11-22-2015, 06:50 PM
Post: #156
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Lynch the Snakes GET OFF MY PLANEEEE
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11-22-2015, 07:26 PM
Post: #157
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
I just have one question: do Amos and I share a vote, or do our respective halves get a half-weight vote each?

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11-22-2015, 08:17 PM
Post: #158
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
We definitely share a vote. We're the same slot. Hydra isn't a game mechanic.
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11-22-2015, 11:00 PM
Post: #159
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Having fewer players makes it easier to see what's going on in the game, so lynch Amospilot to reduce the number of players faster without actually making lylo approach faster.
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11-22-2015, 11:25 PM
Post: #160
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
things are happening okay cool

Lynch dC cause he was scum last time therefore he's scum this time

makes perfect sense

...What? Just keep scrolling.
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11-23-2015, 12:50 AM
Post: #161
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 04:30 PM)Palamedes Wrote:  Like you think he's lying scum or just making it up for shits?
The latter. Don't think he'd chance saying he isn't town as scum.
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11-23-2015, 02:40 AM
Post: #162
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
lynch: the mod

dC Wrote:donut is A FILTHY TRAITOR unreliable
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11-23-2015, 05:02 AM
Post: #163
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Sure, why not Lynch Paranoia
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11-23-2015, 06:04 AM
Post: #164
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Sotek confuses me. I don't like being confused.

Lynch:sotek

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11-23-2015, 06:37 AM
Post: #165
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
lynch AE to get the bawk in here

It's time to, T-T-T-T-T-T TRIPLE POST
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11-23-2015, 06:48 AM
Post: #166
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Lynch : Druplesnubb

because lynching the mob and bandwagoning at the same time are just hella lame

mod is love, mod is life
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11-23-2015, 07:17 AM
Post: #167
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP

because lynching the MOD and bandwagoning at the same time IS just hella lame

Its early in the morning spelling and my spelling is not good when i am fully awake.
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11-23-2015, 07:18 AM
Post: #168
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
....ignore me, i need coffee
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11-23-2015, 09:15 AM
Post: #169
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 06:15 PM)GenetiXientist Wrote:  Sotek is a Sotek aligned Sotek.

He Soteks when all Soteks have been Sotek'd and at least one Sotek is still Sotek

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 09:54 AM
Post: #170
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 03:33 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  hey guess what my role PM has the word village in it

Lies. I didn't see you at the Villageville council meeting. You're clearly a spy sent from Townton.

Lynch: dC

(09-25-2015 09:43 PM)Coldblooded Wrote:  Granola congratulations on maintaining your reign as king of the bastards once again.
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11-23-2015, 12:26 PM
Post: #171
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Lynch pE cause Minecraft is better on the PC
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11-23-2015, 12:39 PM
Post: #172
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-22-2015 06:14 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  
(11-22-2015 04:20 PM)Sotek Wrote:  Hey Para, you forgot my QT >_>

Lynch: dC.

Because of things.

...um. Are you implying you don't know what your role is at the moment?

Kinda! I ... know some things. I know for certain that it doesn't matter if I live or die for the purpose of other people's wincons. Well. More specifically, I know that me being alive to endgame is consistent with anyone else winning. (but like I might interact with overrun or have to be killed in endgame? but I'm not a survivor, I know that. so I could theoretically joint with a hypothetical bodystacker by self-lynching, if my wincon was being met.)

I'm just not quite sure exactly what my wincon or powers are. >_>

(11-22-2015 06:15 PM)GenetiXientist Wrote:  Sotek is a Sotek aligned Sotek.

This is actually correct! I just don't know all the implications. <_<
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11-23-2015, 12:51 PM
Post: #173
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Question #2: What things? I'll assume you're scumhunting for the moment (although given your expressed motivation I'm unsure exactly what it is you'll be trying to get out of the game, starting off by doing that seems in-character for you) so...yah. Things?

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 12:57 PM
Post: #174
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Something something my PM says "Town" and "Scum".

I have had the horrible thought that we might have both split town and split scum, which would be both silly and terrible.
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11-23-2015, 01:00 PM
Post: #175
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Oh, and everyone who isn't somehow third party should have both a "town-side" and "scum-side" designation in their PMs, since everyone on both sides has the wincon of the other side being dead.
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11-23-2015, 01:01 PM
Post: #176
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
...oh motherfuck. Mine says "village" and "mafia". I assumed the "mafia" bit would be obvious to everyone and potentially inform hostile 3Ps so I didn't mention it

but uh

yeah that sounds about right given how Winefia 2 went.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:02 PM
Post: #177
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Very curious with the Sotek thing. Not sure how Sotek will answer your question, dC, since "things" will probably be either just role stuff or information he isn't at liberty to say.

Right now, I'm just kind of interested as to how big the dC wagon is, and if the Paranoia lynch will be counted as legitimate. (votals? if nothing comes up soon, I might just whip something up)
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11-23-2015, 01:03 PM
Post: #178
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP: theory time: two independent games of mafia might be playing here simultaneously. Town v. Scum and Village v. Mafia. Thoughts?
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11-23-2015, 01:03 PM
Post: #179
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
That's the thing though Q, he doesn't HAVE his role properly, by his own admission. So I'm baffled as to what the Things actually are.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:03 PM
Post: #180
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Oh how nice, another "let's compare our role PMs" game. Yay.

Mine says Town, and INNOCENT in all caps. I'm sad that this might be a thing.

There's no way that dC and Yewchung are actually that dumb, right?
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11-23-2015, 01:04 PM
Post: #181
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
As a quick question, could someone else with "Town" and "Scum" corroborate my claim, so as to confirm that I'm not lying?

Doing so can only help us, seeing as it would quickly resolve the whole "split-sides" issue.
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11-23-2015, 01:05 PM
Post: #182
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP: Two separate games isn't impossible. Obvious tests involve seeing if cross-voting is possible, whether one lynch or two end up happening, and associated stuff. Mechanically there's several possibilities (including "you end up abstaining if you vote for someone in the other game", "both games vote on both lynches", "both games share a lynch", etc)

Seems messy though. One game with a split seems more likely, although mechanics would have to exist to stabilize (otherwise we're looking at 11 town+mafia and 11 village+scum and as soon as that ratio tips one side can gang up on the other, similar to how I as an anti-town could ally with the village in Winefia 2)

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:06 PM
Post: #183
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-23-2015 12:51 PM)dichotomousCreator Wrote:  Question #2: What things? I'll assume you're scumhunting for the moment (although given your expressed motivation I'm unsure exactly what it is you'll be trying to get out of the game, starting off by doing that seems in-character for you) so...yah. Things?

Setup things. (I know a bunch of the basics of the setup, though not who has what.

Which I won't say, except to say that people talking about the fiddly contents of their role PMs might want to keep in mind that they may not know what secrets they want to keep or not.
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11-23-2015, 01:13 PM
Post: #184
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(11-23-2015 01:04 PM)Yewchung Wrote:  As a quick question, could someone else with "Town" and "Scum" corroborate my claim, so as to confirm that I'm not lying?

Doing so can only help us, seeing as it would quickly resolve the whole "split-sides" issue.

Ditto "Village" and "Mafia".

Sotek: My PM is like three sentences long and fails to mention anything to suggest the level of nuance you are implying. Also you'll probably need to be a bit less tight-lipped to actually get that lynch through without people assuming you're going for an easy target to further your own agenda, whatever the hell that is.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:14 PM
Post: #185
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
(EBWOP: Statement about PM supposed to emphasize that "it is short", not to suggest stylistic choices that confirm I'm telling the truth by being accurate to what the mod would do)

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:17 PM
Post: #186
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Sotek, the thing is, there's no reason for town sided players to hide the fact that they have "Town" or some variation in their role PMs, unless there's some mod fuckery going on and we're somehow aligned differently than our role PMs would imply.

Oh wait shoot, I've just realized. The mafia sides have the wincon of eliminating their respective "Towns", but don't know who's who until we revealed it.

NOBODY REVEAL YOUR SIDES

Oh god, I didn't even think. I'm so sorry.
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11-23-2015, 01:23 PM
Post: #187
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Well, we didn't even know there WERE two mafias/towns until two separate people spoke up so this number of reveals was probably important for town/village decision-making.

Does mean we'll probably be killed first by our respective scum opposing factions though!

Also I had another terrible thought which I'm not sure I want to mention now Sotek's said that thing...

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:31 PM
Post: #188
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Wow, this is rather bullshit. I honestly hope it's just bullshit but... jesus christ this is going to get complicated fast.
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11-23-2015, 01:32 PM
Post: #189
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
I want at least one person with some variant of the scum/town mix dead so I can analyze their role PM and see whether it's that simple or not, and I think it's dC because obviously village and mafia have to coexist or he's lying, so, uh, he probably wants me dead, while maybe Yewchung can live in harmony with me.

Thus:

Lynch:dC
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11-23-2015, 01:34 PM
Post: #190
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Does anyone have a PM that contains something outside of "Scum/Town" or "Mafia/Village"

I.E. "Scum/Village" or "Mafia/Town"?
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11-23-2015, 01:35 PM
Post: #191
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
What do you mean "coexist"? Like, are you saying I'm lying if village and mafia can't joint win? Please point to the thing I said that is a lie if village and mafia can't joint win.

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:37 PM
Post: #192
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
I mean that you literally can't win if village and mafia need each other dead for a win. Thus, they must /not/ need each other dead, which means that if this is in anyway a reasonable setup, you need something/someone else dead. And I think that's either town or innocents (or I guess scum), which is a 2/3 chance of you wanting me dead for a win.
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11-23-2015, 01:38 PM
Post: #193
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP: I apologize, but I probably can't respond to anything else, since I really do have to study for an exam that occurs at 9:00 AM tomorrow.
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11-23-2015, 01:40 PM
Post: #194
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
...my win condition is that the mafia be eliminated, GX. Unless you're claiming mafia I couldn't care less about you. Why the hell can I not win if I need mafia dead?

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(06-06-2016 06:12 AM)Coldblooded Wrote:  if there was ever a scumteam to overthink things and make a huge dramatic production out of day one, DC and Granola would probably be it.
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11-23-2015, 01:41 PM
Post: #195
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Wait, didn't you just claim to be village/mafia? Doesn't that mean your wincon, if it's for mafia to be eliminated, requires you to die?
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11-23-2015, 01:41 PM
Post: #196
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
Okay, so I'm just going to talk out loud seeing as I've already bared it all.

Given that there's two Towns-sides and two Scums-sides, the fact that there's something to do with Scum-side having to figure out who's on their Town-side has to be true, seeing as it's highly unlikely Para sent a list of specific targets to the various scum sides. It also potentially balances things out, since otherwise Town-side would be getting one lynch to every two night kills.

There's almost certainly only one lynch, since anything else falls so far into the realm of "mod fuckery" that it's not even worth considering.

Under that assumption, the balancing factor is probably that the scum straight up don't get a kill if it's the wrong side, averaging out to 1 kill a night given random Town-side targets. I'd say to claim as the wrong side, in order to confuse the scum-teams, but I've unfortunately also put a stop to that.
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11-23-2015, 01:42 PM
Post: #197
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP: Oh god damnit, GX is saying that he has two alignments, both Town and INNOCENT.

GX, I and dC have one alignment, and the other (Mafia/Scum) is in our Wincon as the side that has to be eliminated.
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11-23-2015, 01:42 PM
Post: #198
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
See, the problem with that is that I'm a Town INNOCENT (it's in all caps). Which introduces a 5th faction.
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11-23-2015, 01:43 PM
Post: #199
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
EBWOP: Oh. OH.

Unvote.

I really do have to go.
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11-23-2015, 01:46 PM
Post: #200
RE: BOOTLEG WINEFIA 3: Day One: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing (22/22)
I'm pretty sure that is just the role, not a faction. I'm sure everyone's thing is "Alignment ROLE". I don't think innocent is a whole other faction.
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